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Mercedes-Benz
W 165
1.5-litre V8 voiturette built for the 1939 Tripoli GP
Photo: Triple-green · CC BY-SA 2.0
Contents
01Overview
At a glance
- Built
- 2 Built
- Years
- 1939
- Engine
- Front-mounted, longitudinal 90-degree V8 · 1,495 cc / 1.5 LFactory: 1,495 cc
- Power
- 191 kW / 260 PSFactory: 256 hp · converted
- Top speed
- 272 km/hFactory: 272 km/h
- Body
- Not yet verified
- Designer
- Rudolf Uhlenhaut (chief designer of the racing department)
- In this archive
- Not yet verified
- Surviving
- 2 (factory reported)
Sources and any conflicting figures are in the sections below.
Why it matters
The W 165 was a 1.5-litre voiturette built specifically for the 1939 Tripoli Grand Prix, which it won. With only four built and a single race win, it is one of the rarest pre-war Mercedes-Benz racing cars.
How rare is it?
Six separate kinds of rarity – never combined into one number.
Each kind of rarity is rated separately and never combined.
02Production & history
Production
Every figure says what it counts.
| What is counted | Figure | Basis | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Total model productionBoth W 165s built in 1939 are held in the Mercedes-Benz vehicle collection (Lang's winning car in the museum) | 21 | Surviving examples | Factory reported |
| Total model productionW 165 cars built in 1939 (the two cars used at Tripoli); a 1951 plan to re-enter five cars was dropped | 21,2 | Factory production | Factory reported |
Independent counts (e.g. engine and colour) are never combined into a calculated figure. Surviving examples are never presented as original production.
History
Built in 1939, the W 165 used a front-mounted 1,495 cc M165 V8 with two Roots-type superchargers, giving 256 bhp at 8,000 rpm, and a five-speed gearbox. Its steel oval-tube chassis followed big-car practice with double-wishbone front suspension and a De Dion rear axle. Hermann Lang won the 1939 Tripoli Grand Prix in chassis 449547/2.
Variants
How each version differs from the standard W 165.
No variants documented yet. Have a source? Contribute it.
03Specifications
Technical specifications
Engine
| Engine family | Not yet verified |
|---|---|
| Engine code | M1653 Independently researched |
| Layout | Front-mounted, longitudinal 90-degree V83 Independently researched |
| Cylinders | 81 |
| Displacement | 1,495 cc / 1.5 LFactory: 1,495 cc3 Independently researched |
| Bore | 64 mmFactory: 64 mm3 Independently researched |
| Stroke | 58 mmFactory: 58 mm3 Independently researched |
| Compression ratio | 6.5:13 Independently researched |
| Valvetrain | Two spur-gear-driven overhead camshafts per bank; two intake and two exhaust valves per cylinder via rocker arms1 |
| Fuel system | Two Solex carburettors, one per Roots blower1 |
| Induction | Two Roots-type superchargers3 Independently researched |
| Power | 191 kW / 260 PSFactory: 256 hp · converted3 Independently researchedSource: 256 bhp (191 kW). |
| Power at | 8,000 rpm3 Independently researched |
| Torque | Not yet verified |
Transmission & drivetrain
| Gearbox | 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive3 Independently researched |
|---|---|
| Gears | 54 Independently researched |
| Driven wheels | Not yet verified |
Chassis, body & dimensions
| Chassis | Oval-tube ladder-type frame with four cross-braces1Revs Institute counts five cross-members. |
|---|---|
| Front suspension | Coil-sprung trapezoidal-link front axle1Revs Institute describes double wishbones. |
| Rear suspension | De Dion rear axle with torsion bars1 |
| Brakes | Hydraulic brakes with centrifugally cooled light-alloy drums on all four wheels4 Independently researched |
| Steering | Not yet verified |
| Body construction | Not yet verified |
| Wheelbase | 2,450 mmFactory: 2,450 mm3 Independently researched |
| Length | Not yet verified |
| Width | Not yet verified |
| Height | Not yet verified |
| Front track | Not yet verified |
| Rear track | Not yet verified |
| Kerb weight | Not yet verified |
| Dry weight | 605 kgFactory: 605 kg1Weighing basis not stated in the source. |
Performance
| Maximum speed | 272 km/hFactory: 272 km/h3 Independently researched |
|---|---|
| 0–100 km/h | Not yet verified |
| Fuel tank | 245 LFactory: 245 L1 |
“Not yet verified” means no source has been checked for that value yet. Nothing is estimated to fill a gap.
04Colours & options
Factory colours & interiors
Original paint and trim, with the number of cars in each where a source gives it.
Not yet documented. Have a source? Contribute it.
Factory options & codes
Codes are shown exactly as written by the manufacturer.
Not yet documented. Have a source? Contribute it.
05Individual cars
Chassis register
Every documented car, with its colours, history and where it is now. Open a row for the full record. Known chassis are not automatically authenticated originals.
Not yet documented. Have a source? Contribute it.
Competition history
Every race result of the individual cars, in date order. Click a chassis number to open its full record in the register.
Not yet documented. Have a source? Contribute it.
Auction & sale history
Documented public sales of the individual cars. Click a chassis number to open its full record in the register.
Not yet documented. Have a source? Contribute it.
See one in person
Museums where an example of this car can be seen.
No example is documented on public display yet. Have a source? Contribute it.
06Reference
Identification guide
How to tell an original from a replica or later conversion.
The W 165 is the 1.5-litre voiturette built for the 1939 Tripoli Grand Prix and looks like a scaled-down W 154: wheelbase 280 mm shorter, front track 135 mm and rear track 132 mm narrower, an oval-tube ladder frame, and a total fuel capacity of 245 litres in a compact rear end. The V8 engine, with a 90-degree bank angle, is tilted 6 degrees to the longitudinal axis, which moves the steering column and driver to the right and puts the small windscreen to the left of the car's centreline. The engine is the M 165 with 64 x 58 mm bore and stroke, two Roots blowers and two Solex carburettors, and the car weighs around 605 kg. Only two were built, and both are in the company collection.
Sources
Each number links to the exact facts it supports.
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1
Mercedes-Benz W 165 racing car, 1939 (Classic M@RS) Level A Mercedes-Benz Group AG (Classic M@RS, Mercedes-Benz Public Archive)
- the two W 165s built in 1939
- two W 165s built in 1939 have been part of the company's vehicle collection
- V8 engine with a cylinder bank angle of 90 degrees
- two overhead, spur gear-driven camshafts per cylinder bank
- the two Roots blowers were each combined with a Solex carburettor
- fourfold cross-braced oval tube ladder-type frame
- coil-sprung trapezoidal-link front axle
- de Dion rear axle equipped with torsion bars
- weight of the W 165, which at 605 kg
- tank capacity of the 1.5-litre car, which was only 245 litres
-
2
1939 Mercedes-Benz W165 Specifications - Ultimatecarpage.com Level C
- 4 cars built
-
3
Mercedes-Benz W165 Level C Wouter Melissen · Ultimatecarpage.com · 2011-07-07
- M165 90º V8
- M165 90º V8, front, longitudinally mounted
- 1,495 cc
- 64.0 x 58.0 mm bore and stroke
- 6.5:1 compression ratio
- two Roots-type superchargers
- 256 bhp (191 kW) at 8,000 rpm
- at 8,000 rpm
- 5-speed manual gearbox driving the rear wheels
- 2,450 mm wheelbase
- 272 km/h (169 mph)
-
4
Mercedes-Benz W165 (Revs Institute Automedia) Level B Revs Institute
- Mated to a five-speed gearbox
- Hydraulic brakes ... centrifugally cooled, light-alloy drums
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